Oh yeah kids. I’m back, after taking approximately the last 7 years off. You barely missed me, probably because you were busy with other stuff. Maybe there was some sort of conference. I can’t remember, since I’ve been spending my time lugging around boxes of potato chips. Well, that and playoff baseball. I do enjoy some playoff baseball.

No time for any of that talk! You don’t come here for my opinions on playoff baseball, unless you’re weird.

So after the Yankees game ended up out of reach the other night, I flipped over to Gene Simmons Family Jewels. For those of you unfamiliar with the show, it follows around Gene and his family. I found it delightfully entertaining until this last season, where Gene and longtime girlfriend Shannon Tweed started having problems. Suddenly the show got all serious, she’s crying all the time, and it wasn’t nearly as good. To make a long story short, Gene gives in and decides to pop the question to his lady. She says yes, of course.  Aww, it’s so romantic.

Now I don’t want the ladies to get any ideas here about how I’m some sort of insensitive jerk, since I hope to have sexy times with at least one of you. (I’m thinking Young And Thrifty) From a strictly romantic view, what Gene did was sweet, albeit somewhat overdue. They’re already had a nice ceremony, surrounded by all their friends all sorts of celebrities. I’m sure she looked quite lovely in her dress. It’s all so sweet that I think I’m about to enter into a diabetic coma.

Fortunately, I’m here to dispense the advice that you desperately need. So here it is. Never get married.

(As an embarrassing aside, I was going to insert the video here for KC and The Sunshine Band’s song Keep It Common Law. But, upon further research, it turns out that song is actually called Keep It Coming Love. I will insert said video, just so you can listen to it and laugh at my inability to understand the English language.)

Where to begin? Well, weddings are expensive. Damn expensive. Even a crappy wedding will set you back $10k, assuming you live in some part of the country where you can do things for a reasonable cost. There’s the cost of flowers, a photographer, a wedding dress, a tux rental and invitations, just to list a few things off the top of my head. As everyone who’s ever planned a wedding can attest, little things have the habit of popping up and adding onto the cost. The practical part of me can’t wrap my head around paying tens of thousands of dollars on a party.

Most of my readers probably paid for their own weddings, (or plan to) since you’re smarter than the average bear. But what if you’re one of those people who can’t afford to pay for their own wedding? No problem, you’ll just hit up the bride’s folks, like so many cash strapped couples before you. Well, I have two arguments against that. First off, if you can’t pay for it yourself, you can’t afford to get married. And secondly, I enjoy the irony of smart, career driven women still needing a dowry from her parents in order to get married. There’s a million better things that money could be spent on.

And then there’s the engagement ring. According to some guy in De Beer’s marketing department industry standards, I’m supposed to spend 3 months salary on my girl’s ring. If I make $5000 a month, which is a perfectly reasonable salary, I’m expected to drop $15k on a ring. Are you serious? That’s a down payment on a house. I don’t care how hot she is, she ain’t worth $15k.

Is there any wonder I’m single, with comments like that last one?

Even though divorce rates have been going down ever since hitting their peak in 1981, there’s still a pretty good possibility that your marriage could end up on the rocks. Can you imagine being in a perfectly nice marriage, only to find out after a few years that your spouse has been doing stuff with the local potato chip guy? Suddenly the moral decision of staying or leaving is influenced by financial matters. Divorce sucks. So does breaking up with your girlfriend, but at least you don’t have to give her half your money.

And then there’s pre-nups. If you’re an enterprising young individual who’s got some decent assets, you might want to consider protecting those, especially if you’re marrying someone who can fit all their assets in two suitcases. And yet, as I found out, you’re a cold heartless bastard if you even bring up the idea. You can avoid the topic all together if you just shack up with your lady friend, and since she’ll be paying half the expenses, you can use the opportunity to live cheaply and add to your nest egg.

Is it any wonder why so many couples just choose to forego the marriage thing all together? It might not be the most romantic thing to do, but your wallet will thank you. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go shave my palms.

  • http://www.sooverdebt.com Andrea @ SoOverDebt

    It boggles my mind to hear about people spending thousands of dollars on weddings – especially on engagement rings. My engagement ring cost less than $300. Of course, part of that is because I lose jewelry a lot. And I should also note that I’m divorced now. Maybe if he’d bought a better ring I would have felt more compelled to put up with his crap.

    • Anonymous

      He should have bought your love!

      • http://www.sooverdebt.com Andrea @ SoOverDebt

        Actually it’s probably good that he bought a cheaper ring – I didn’t feel as obligated to put up with bullshit as I might have with a huge diamond on my finger. 

  • http://www.broketo.ca Melissa

    I totally don’t buy into the idea that marriage has to equal wedding. If you want to be married, just go ahead and get married! If you want a wedding, and a fancy one at that, that’s a whole other thing. I have a cousin who waited way longer than she wanted to to get married (to her boyfriend of 9+ years) because she wanted to be able to afford the perfect wedding. No way would I have waited that long just to throw a party. I also think the three months expenses thing is kind of nutty. Maybe it made more sense years ago when the purchasing power of the average income was different. But forget $5000/month. What about someone bringing home $2500/month. He’s supposed to go spend $7500 on a ring when he’s barely above the poverty line? That’s just insanity. 

    I also don’t think the idea of a prenup is that terrible. There’s a lot of good reasons to get one, other than being a greedy millionaire. Then again, I think they get such a bad rap that it would be hard to separate the “let’s be practical” from the “OMG YOU’RE JUST PLANNING TO DIVORCE ME AND LEAVE ME WITH NOTHING AREN’T YOU?!?!?!”

    …Possibly this is why I’m also still single. Though I do definitely want to get married one day. I just don’t want to spend an arm and a leg doing it. 

    • Anonymous

      I’m hoping that, when it’s time for me to get married, I end up with a girl who takes a reasonable look at it like Melissa here does. Knowing my luck, that’s not very likely.

      • Rachel

        Surely good financial sense would be a dealbreaker for you early enough on that you don’t have to worry about it if it comes down to planning a long-term?

  • http://twitter.com/BoomerandEcho Boomer and Echo

    You’ve given me a great idea for a post, “Single Guys vs. Reality”.  One guy lives in a dump, eats frozen burritos, owns one pair of pants, works 80 hours a week, saves 50% of his income and thinks he’ll retire at 40.  The other guy met a girl.

    • Anonymous

      And I will read that post, assuming I ever learn how to read.

  • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

    I’ve wondered about the “ring price” equation.  Is it three months?  Two months?  Gross salary or net?  How do bonuses and stock vesting work?  It all varies depending on whom you ask, and whom you propose to, I guess.  Maybe you can ‘obey’ the rule by working a lower paying job the month you propose, since it’s based on income instead of wealth (hey, kind of like taxes!).

    … And I’m married, go figure. 

    • Anonymous

      I know, it’s so damn complicated.

      These days, I think the only question for a lot of guys is “how much will the jewelery store finance me for?”

      • Rachel

        Any woman who requires any sort of a bribe before she will agree to marry you, no matter of what value, isn’t worth it. 
        If women want to be ‘equal’, it’s about time they accept both sides of it.

  • Diva

    Ahhh… Uproar, you had me up until the last line.  I could be smitten with a guy who thinks that KC was advocating shacking up.  But then you had to cross the line…  Most of the time I completely agree with you.  If my guy got me a nice lovely token of his affection and carried his financial weight, I could be completely happy keeping it common law.  It works both ways.  As long as the girl has her walk away money.  But I think that many women think that their Prince Charming will take care of all their problems and never build their walk away fund, which drives the need for the legality of the ties to their man.  

    • Anonymous

      The last line was gold. I regret nothing.

      Women seem to equate financial security with getting married, which has to be one of the reasons they push for it so hard. Old habits die hard. Great point.

  • Kayla Green

    While I like the ideas of common-law and how it’s so accepted nowadays, I still want to and plan on getting married, though I certainly don’t need a big fancy 5 pound ring or a huge church with hundreds of people to show for it. A simple but nice ring is fine, and a small ceremony with close family and friends works for me. It still amazes me that people are going completely overboard about a wedding when the economy is in the state that it’s in. I’m assuming these weddings are being paid for with HELOC’s or something like that. Terrible.

    • Anonymous

      It seems like all the chicks who read my blog have quite reasonable ideas about their weddings. I seem to attract good readers.

  • Rachel

    I
    got married a year ago in calgary for a couple thousand (well under $5000). We had a wedding, because I think that is what makes a marriage. Not that it is supposed to be the big event, but because I see marriage as a social custom, not a legal one. Marriage has existed in all societies since roughly forever, and the state has nothing to do with it. To me, getting married means gathering the people who matter to you, and stating your intentions in the presence of those people. The legal side is just tax paperwork.We didn’t spend ages or tons of money on the wedding, as it’s the rest of the lifetime after that one day that matters. We planned to pay
    for everything ourselves, as I too believe that if you’re old enough to
    marry, you’re old enough to pay for it. My parents figured they would
    pay for their daughters wedding and asked us to give them the bills. We
    considered it (they would be easily able to afford our modest taste
    without any harm to their finances, and had saved money for weddings),
    but it just didn’t feel right to let them foot the bill. So we paid, but
    I admit they did give us an extremely generous gift.
    We didn’t have a crappy wedding – we had what most of our friends have
    called the most fun wedding they have been to yet. We just kept it
    simple and informal – the ceremony was outside on a public hill, and
    short enough for people to stand (with a few chairs for grandparents),
    then the reception was a simple party at a community hall. We rented
    speakers (from an acquaintance, for a case of beer), and hooked them up
    to my laptop and played music we like and own. The most expensive part
    was food, as it does cost money to feed a bunch of people, though we
    kept it simple and at the very cheap end of what is possible (yet
    excellent food – I can’t say enough good about the caterer).
    I have no engagement ring – I think it’s appalling that in this day and
    age, women who otherwise think themselves ‘equal’ demand a one-way gift
    worth several thousand dollars. I think tuxes look silly, and my husband
    wore the suit he already owns that I think he looks great in. I
    purchased a simple white dress. We were coming in from similar circumstances, but I think a pre-nup would have been entirely justified if we were seriously out of balance. If only they were enforced in court….We felt strongly that it was better so spend more money towards a house or other savings, or at least on a great trip, and yes, strictly speaking, we could have not spent even that couple thousand. But it was a reasonably low price for a social commitment that mattered, and a great party.’Wedding’ doesn’t have to mean piles of money, and lots of money isn’t necessary to make it lots of fun.As for common law, if you are living in a marriage-like situation, divorce-like laws can apply to you just as easily when you break up. If one partner proves that they made decisions based on assuming a joint income, you can end up nearly as bad. Different juristictions have different laws on this, but you can be screwed either way. Strictly financially, weddings and marriage don’t make sense. Neither does having children, or celebrating a birthday, or spending any money. But unless the point of your financial sensibility is to amass a large pile to roll around in, it makes sense to spend reasonable amounts of money that you have on things that matter to you.

     

    • Rachel

      I don’t know what happened to the line breaks. I swear they were there when I typed it..
      Sorry about the block.

    • Anonymous

      A few things:

      1. Thanks for the massively long comment. I think the comment is longer than the original post.

      2. I find it unlikely your friends would criticize your wedding to your face. I’m not saying it was a bad wedding, it’s just unlikely any negative feelings would ever be voiced while you’re around.

      3. I respect the opinion that marriage is a social custom, etc. But, from my perspective, it’s kind of a useless social custom.

      Anyway, thanks again for such a great comment.

      • Rachel

        It is true that it would probably not be voiced to our face. But comparisons of multiple friends’ weddings have been discussed in front of the multiple friends with ours listed as ‘more fun’ than that of others present. I doubt our friends care more for our feelings than those of our other friends. I think others might definitely have seen room for improvements, but my point was that spending little doesn’t necessarily make it a crappy wedding. 

        My point with the social custom was merely in regard to having a wedding. I think marriage in front of a judge but not anyone you know basically means nothing. A wedding of some sort that gathers together some people who matter to you is what I see as validating a marriage. I was speaking in regard to the suggestion people make to just go to the courthouse if they want to get married. I definitely see reason in the argument that there is no reason to get married at all.

  • http://www.accountantbyday.com Kellen @ Accountant by Day

    Oh man, it does sound like they’re singing “Keep it common law”.

    Also a girl at my office just got engaged and has the biggest diamond I’ve seen so far. I know for a fact he’s only had a job for about 3 months, so what? He lived off of wind and rain for those 3 months while saving to buy the ring? Sure :) .

    I think you’re right, even small weddings tend to be over 10k. If you want a celebration with your family, I figure you could just do something at home like thanksgiving dinner! Uhm, also thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, so I may be biased.

    Oooh, how about this – if you don’t have any *stuff* when you get married, your wedding costs can be partially recouped by all the *stuff* you’ll get as gifts. Better ask for a money tree…

    • Anonymous

      I haven’t even met this couple, and I give it 2 years, tops.

      I’m all for the small wedding. At least it minimizes the cost of the pointless party.

  • Bret @ Hope to Prosper

    The irony of the security of marriage is that a very high percentage of older divorced women wind up living in poverty.  For every gold-digger who takes her ex to the cleaners, there are many more women who get traded in for a new wife and lose most of their income and assets at the worst possible time.  This isn’t a sexist opinion, it’s a statistical fact.  It can also happen to men.  It’s a financial reality of the arrangement.

    My opinion is that both partners should have financial assets and ability, whether they choose to get married or not.  Being completely dependent on anyone leaves a person vulnerable.

    Tomorrow is my anniversary and we have been married for 21 years.  We chose to get married and raise a family in the traditional style, where my wife has never worked.  We bought inexpensive rings at the LA Jewelry District and got married in Las Vegas.  I have watched people spend insane amounts of money and wind up divorced a short time later.  It’s more about the commitment than the ring and ceremony.

    People should do what they think is right for them.  They shouldn’t let parents, society, their church or DeBeers pressure them when making important life decisions.  There is an endless stream of people and organizations who tell you what to do.  None of them are going to raise your children or pay your bills.

    • Anonymous

      Congrats on making it to 21 years Bret!

      Unfortunately, these days, couples seem forced to spend the big bucks on a wedding because that’s what all their friends do. My readers seem to get it, it’s just too bad they’re such a small minority. I need to become more popular!

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